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Thought We Had Avoided that Fiscal Cliff?

Well, not so fast, apparently Washington is back on that same path and hasn't yet figured out how to avoid that stretch of road.

 

It seems that just last month the country was on the brink of doom and disaster — facing a fiscal cliff of epic proportions. Oh wait, that was just last month. On the eve of disaster, the problem was averted by a last-minute deal that resulted in almost everybody's taxes going up.

According to The Huffington Post, Washington hasn't yet figured how to get off that path and we're back on the road again, approaching that pesky fiscal cliff. Dubbing it an austeroid, a play on words relating to an austerity asteroid, The Huffington Post points out that the country is about to be hit with the "sequester" on March 1, which could cut another 0.6 percent from growth. That on top of the 1.5 hit that The Huffington Post laid at the feet of the first fiscal cliff solution.

While The Huffington Post article does point the finger at Congressional Republicans, saying they are choosing to do nothing this time, setting up another deficit fight in the spring, it also points out that this sequester was actually the idea of the White House in the first place. On Friday, President Barack Obama raised a dire warning of the results that could happen if we don't manage to hit the brakes before going over the cliff this time, telling the American people of potential cuts to firefighters and teachers.

The Washington Post reports Republicans have said they caved in the first debate, allowing for taxes to go up on the wealthy and dragging most of the taxpayers along for a portion of that ride — they're not going to do it again. It's time to tackle the out of control spending — there are other places to cut, not the ones that would end up hurting basic services. In an opinion piece in The Washington Post, George F. Wills calls this debate another manufactured crisis and he and many others suggest Washington is likely to go over the cliff this time. What is also debatable is whether the people care anymore. 

Do you care this time around whether the latest disaster is averted or not or are you just tired of the political theater? Who do you think deserves the lion's share of the blame for Washingon appearing to go from one disaster to another?

Related Topics: fiscal cliff, question of the day, and sequestration

Chris P

9:28 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Our elected officials need to the job that they were elected to do and the President needs to stop lying to the American People.

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Sharon Swanepoel

10:18 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

I'm just wondering how well it would be received if we applied across the board cuts to our budgets when we tightened our belts to adjust to the lower incomes we all received. I somehow don't see Monroe Utilities being understand about my telling them I would only be paying 90 percent of my utility bill as I'm cutting my budget by 10 percent - especially if they saw me eating at Longhorns still, just skipping the desert as my obligatory 10 percent cut in that part of my budget. Come on, let's use some good old regular common sense here - cut the fat and stick with the necessary protein, pleeez!

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Richard

10:50 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Who cares, they are going to do what they want to do regardless of the out pouring of people concerned. Look at the new Governor of North Carolina is doing.....raming his agenda home regardless of the consequences to over a 100,000 unemployed.....they care? There is the pleez!

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r patton

11:35 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Several months ago (and yes it is on video) obama was all for the sequester and claims it is his idea. Now, he has NO memory of this claim or video. (odd how he does that all the time, huh?) Now then let's get the facts correct.
1. Everyone's taxes when up (Especially the middle class. Noticed your check is smaller?) when Obama said only the rich were going see an increase (it's on video folks).
2. This sequester is NOT a spending cut, it's a "we are not going to spend as much as we thought we were. (Yep, you guessed it, it's on video). AND instead of spending $3 billion, they will spend $2.5 billiom, hence the "CUTS". Smoke and mirrors my friends.
3. Nothing is going to happen. No mass layoffs, no shuting down of the military, people will not be dropping dead in the streets it's all a scare tatic and hype by your (not mine) President. Check the last sequester and see how it was handled. It's on the books folks.
4. In a few months no one, will remember this "event" , except the President, the Democrats and the no-information voters.

Just wait and see .......................

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Tammy Osier

12:09 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

R patton - we try to tell this to the liberals and get called liars. It can be on tape, doesn't matter...and there will be some kind of excuse for it. My taxes (including insurance) went up and I make 2000 less than I did when I graduated college 3 years ago!!! It's a matter of "refusing to see" mindset. What is that saying, "None so blind as those that WON'T see?" Stubborness is like pride, you may not see the manifestations of it right away, but the fall will be great when it comes.
Sharon, across the board cuts are what Reagan and Bush 43 did - for Reagan it took several years (due to the mess he inherited) but eventually, and especially during Clintons rein, it came to fruition and we saw the greatest economic prosperity that we've see. Bush 43 did the same in the beginning, and even in war, we saw 5% unemployment. For the life of me, I can't figure out how class warfare folks think that their nanni-nanni-boo-boo economics works when obviously, it doesn't. The best thing this president can do is do as Clinton did in the 90's - look across the aisle and say, "let's try some of what you got". He'll get credit for it even if it was republicans ideas. Clinton gets credit for reaganomics and the Contract with America. But obama has too much pride to do that, and WE pay for it.

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Mr. B

1:32 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

It's all lies until it affects them directly. When the checks stop coming and the drug dealers start collecting, then it becomes real.

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Richard

10:34 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Sure Tammy, let's look across the aisle and ask what the republicans have for us. Like we are not all living what Bush Junior and his eight year mess left us with now. It does not matter left/right everyone thinks they have their facts right, wants to be right, and fights anyone saying they aren't. Let me say as well Tammy please do not think the republicans are reaching across any aisle....really? The fact is the Republicans are so dilussional they still don't understand who win the election and if there is any one needing to reach across a aisle it's them. But Tammy YIU and I both know that will never happen ont we? I do to care anymore how it got broke they just need to fix it. Yet the republicans will never, ever raise taxes on the rich again, especially now, they need that money to try to fix a desperately broken party. For some reason the Republicams keep demanding The President of the United States to come across the aisle, really?

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Good Grief Y'all

10:56 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

GWB and Romney have some interesting videos prominent on youtube.
I can think of one that led to Willard's defeat . . . 47% rings a bell.

That guy

1:02 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Across the board cuts are the only thing that will work because politicians do not have spines, and they will never come to an agreement on cuts in certain areas. They are too worried about losing political points and pissing off the wrong crowd and losing votes or donations. Pretty simple really. It's a terrible solution, but it's the only solution.

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Tammy Osier

1:43 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Mr. B, that's how communism gets started. The gov't. runs out of people's money, and have to collect from everybody and then redistribute for real (not the partial redistribution set up we're seeing right now). People won't have a choice at that point. They won't have a pot to pee in as it were. Then the government takes it by force. And for those who think this is a far out theory, try looking at history. It has happened before and every time it gets defeated, people have to stay on their guard to keep it out. That's why our republlic had to fight hard FOR IT, and we need to fight equally hard to KEEP IT. I wish those who claim to be patriotic could see that. The analogy of the frog in the kettle rings true today and I'm afraid that if we're not careful, the frog will be neck deep soon. What's sad is that poor frog didn't know what hit him until it was too late (the naysayers). At least there are a few other frogs swimming around in this one kicking up some waves. :)

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Mr. B

2:58 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

So, the REAL question: how long before some General wakes up and turns the tanks toward the White House and Congress? Don't you imagine those military guys are talking to each other over a few beers now? Marine General Allen turned down NATO assignment...Why? What could be more important than the NATO command? Lots of speculation.

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Good Grief Y'all

10:52 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

General Allen got caught up in the Petraeus scandal. Whether or not he's guilty, he's tainted by association. He knows it and doesn't want to open up any more wormy cans.

Right-wing conspiracy theories abound. Gotta have something to carp about now that the election is won and done.

Communism, last century's threat. Aren't the Russians doing pretty well these days in the capitalistic world they've finally joined?

Tammy Osier

3:43 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Something else I thought about as we ponder the loss of our freedoms....right now, liberals are rejoicing at all of the control obama has. How he's going over congress, executive orders, playing dangerously close with the separation of powers etc...to get all of this stuff done that they want done...setting a very dangerous precedent. But how will they feel when his actions and changes made are relegated to the next guy in power? Do you really want the next guy to have the same kind of power? What if he ain't exactly a good guy? That's why we want to protect our constitution and make sure that if changes are made, they are done the right way - through amendments etc... that go through the proper channels, not kingly power.

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Rogers Lackey

4:46 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Love this the Tea party is shaking in their boots.

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Good Grief Y'all

7:21 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Rogers, the tea partypoopers are having a field day with this blog. I take consolation in knowing this tripe talk is mostly regional and especially peculiar to L-G Patch.

Tim

5:57 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

There will be a Revolution

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Jeff Haas

7:52 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Yes, the revolution has been taking place before your very eyes. It's called democracy. Our diverse population is finally realizing the power of the vote, and that vote is taking a decidedly left turn. You had your turn for 30 years, and it was "Mourning in America" for those of us on the left for all that that time. I knew something was wrong the moment Reagan was elected, but I had no idea that that debacle would last for a generation. Now there's talk on Texas turning blue over the next few elections, and if that's the case, can Georgia be far behind?

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Good Grief Y'all

11:02 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Amen, Jeff. When Texas goes blue, anything is possible. There's already talk of GA turning purple, if not blue.

I'm pretty sure Tim wants a bloody revolution. He doesn't understand the power of a peaceful revolution.

Tim

5:58 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

And I can promise you this Conservative is NOT shaking in his boots.

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Tim

6:02 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

The blame for this all lies with Obama and his administration....anyone with half a brain can see he is out to destroy captialism and exert his narcissistic, pathological, grandiose, dictatorial Ego. All down through history Dictators like this come to a violent end.....I do hope the military turns on him in a coup......would be the best move this country has made in 5 years.

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Tammy Osier

6:23 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

And Tim, what's really funny is that the tea party is not primarily republican. Democrats, Independents and libertarians make up a large part of it. That's whta made it such a movement - it was a movement of we the people.

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Tammy Osier

9:33 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Sharon said:
"I'm just wondering how well it would be received if we applied across the board cuts to our budgets when we tightened our belts to adjust to the lower incomes we all received."
Sharon, speaking of tightening our belts, I heard a discussion the other day on obama and Tiger woods. The person made this curious comment. "You know, nothing wrong with golfing with Tiger woods, but it seems when all of us are being asked to tighten our belts and sacrifice, I don't see the powers that be tightening theirs. In fact, when the greatest amount of work needs to be done, it seems they're always on vacation with our money. It's kind of hard to be out of work and see them at lavish parties and vacations. You'd think they'd at least try to look humble".

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Tammy Osier

9:36 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Yeah, Tim, I got a hoot out of that. lol Typical tactic distracting from the subject at hand because you can't answer the question. The question, broken down, is how are you going to handle the fact that everything that was told to you turned out not to be true and is in fact getting worse? How do you account for, and how can you defend when it was obama's idea to begin with, until it went south, and now he's blaming republicans? That's getting old and I think the average person is finally starting to see it. So, the firefighters and teachers and miliatry that weren't supposed to be touched and now are? Most of those folks are what you call "middle class" - domrlower middle class if you get technical about it (after taxes). Welcome to reality.

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Good Grief Y'all

7:46 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

These people who claim the President isn't leading blame him for leading. They give him all blame and no credit - it's his fault when gas goes up, but not to his credit when prices go down. It's his fault when the do-nothing Congress sits on its arse, biding time until its next vacation.

Congress passes a bill at the 11th hour and the President signs what may be bad vs worse.

Ultimately, Congress is making the aisles wider, not the President.

Those higher taxes are not hikes. They're the result of the temporary payroll tax holiday not being extended by Congress. T e m p o r a r y.

Executive orders are not the invention of this President. All presidents starting with George Washington have resorted to EOs to carry out and enforce acts of Congress (laws). Go back and look at how often previous modern-day presidents used them. A non-functioning Congress forces their use.

Talk of revolution is more accurately that of treason.

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Amy L

8:08 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Why bother Good Grief? You are talking to people who believe in a magical sky daddy who will call them up to "heaven" where they will live happily ever after for eternity. And they are ADULTS! A failure of reason on that scale surely suggests that attempts to reason with them in more secular areas will prove fruitless.

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Mr. B

8:22 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

It's called faith Amy. We also believe that those who reject God will burn in hell for eternity. Don't you hope we're wrong?

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John B

10:06 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Hate to break the bad news to you Amy L...I think GGY also believes in the imaginary man in the sky too but I'll let her weigh in....BTW, my numbers could be wrong but my research shows that 90% of Americans believe in God or a higher being. Guess you're the minority here. You must be more intelligent than the rest...but definitely not smarter than GGY...don't believe it just ask her.

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Amy L

10:42 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

If I believed in things just because a majority of Americans do, I would believe some crazy shit.

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Good Grief Y'all

11:10 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Amy L, I am a Christian.

Not all Christians are Republican. The difference is they can't get the idea that our Founding Fathers intended a separation of church and state.

Oh, and I'm not trying to convert or convince anyone. These yahoos are beyond help. My efforts are to give sore eyes another viewpoint. The South is not all batcrap Bachman-Palin-Limbaugh-Beck-Hannity-Boortz-Cain crazy.

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Mr. B

11:44 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Bachmann - MN
Palin - AK
Limbaugh - MO
Beck - WA
Hannity - NY
Boortz - PA
Cain - TN

Not too many batcrap crazy Southerners in this group.

Mark 16:15-16

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Good Grief Y'all

12:45 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

No, B, but the influence is great and far reaching - there are the airwaves and internet.
Fox channel is automatically set in any Southern waiting room.

You've got Southerners in that category, they just ain't as famous, only trying to be.

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Mr. B

1:53 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Not familiar with the category, just responding to your list.

Visit my law office waiting room. We don't have TV's.

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Good Grief Y'all

2:24 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I didn't say my "list" was made up exclusively of Southerners. My "list" was a description.

If you had a TV in your waiting room . . .

Amy L

8:30 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

No actually. And in fact, you will probably be there next to me for worshiping the wrong way. If there is such a thing as a god, and it cares about your religious practices enough to punish you for not following them correctly, then how do you know that out of the thousands of religions that have been invented and practiced, that you picked the right one? This is the problem with the so called Pascal's Wager that you propose. Look it up if you haven't heard of it before.

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Mr. B

8:45 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

I have a Ph.D. in Theology from Emory as has been stated before. Not necessary to look anything up. I began my carrier as a minister but left to turn toward family law. Amazingly, it was the Atheist that found the fault in Pascal's Wager yet you, as a non-believer (I'm assuming here) throw it out as something to consider. I assume it is because you might want to believe yet don't know what to believe (the fault of PW).

There are many gods but only one God. And since I know Him and know His power and know His forgiveness, I know where I will pass. I wish the best for you Amy L.

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Amy L

10:17 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

All religions are equally ridiculous. Why would I choose Wiccanism over Scientology over Christianity over Greek Mythology over Sun worship? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far none has been forthcoming.

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Mr. B

11:34 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Or...they require Faith.

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Pittsburgh Paul

11:57 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

Actually Amy L, give me evidence that Jesus did NOT walk this earth or that the Bible is fiction. Recently there is far greater evidence that it is all true. Check out http://www.answersingenesis.org/ if you want to have some fun mocking us Christians.

David Brown

12:08 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I agree with you Pittsburgh Paul. I am a Christian also.:)

By the way Amy L., using expletives like you did in your post above violates Patch's Terms of Use. You said "If I believed in things just because a majority of Americans do, I would believe some crazy s___."

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JD STONE

12:26 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Tammy O,
Better check your history:
Economist Mike Kimel notes that the former Democratic Presidents (Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, and Harry S. Truman) all reduced public debt as a share of GDP while the last four Republican Presidents (George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Gerald Ford) all oversaw an increase in the country's indebtedness

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Good Grief Y'all

12:55 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

:D

Problem is, JD, they believe their own hype and/or misinformation.

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Mr. B

2:12 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

JD, I would like to ask that you double check your numbers. To say the debt was reduced is semantics (If my debt to income is 120% and 4 years later it is 119%, I have reduced it but it's still out of control.) The highest ever National Debt ratio versus GDP was under Truman at 120%. Second...you guessed it...Obama at close to 110%. Third was Bush 43 and coming in 4th is Mr. Clinton. Reagan and Eisenhower are tied for next place (in Ike's defense so to speak, he was correcting Truman's high numbers.) The years under Nixon - Ford were the best but still at 30%. The debt to GDP hasn't been below 30% since prior to 1929.

Problem is, JD, liberals often believe their own hype and/or misinformation.

That guy

2:39 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

That's the problem with statistics in general. The economy is too complex to look at a single statistic and blame it on, or give credit to, a single person or group. If people focused more of their time on debating the solutions that are being presented, it would be a much more realistic conversation. Laying blame is the worst of politics because the only answers you tend to find are those that agree with your positions anyway. Much like statistics.

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That guy

3:15 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I also wish conservatives would drop the whole "Obama wants to destroy the country" nonsense. Even if that's what you believe, stating that in public doesn't help the debate. It might make you feel good to say it.......but all it shows is that you don't really want to have an honest conversation. As Barney Frank would say (disregarding the fact that he is an idiot) "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table"

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David Brown

3:40 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Good comments, "That guy". It also does nothing to change the fact that President Obama was elected by the majority of American voters to serve until January 20, 2017.

That guy

4:03 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Quite true. Apparently the gloom and doom doesn't resonate well with Americans who do not classify themselves as Conservatives. That same group coincidentally makes up the majority of America.

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Good Grief Y'all

5:39 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

That guy, you're making good sense.

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