Unfortunately, he wasn't. He'll live....

Yes Racer X, because they're idiots and they don't care who they endanger. As long as t hey can remain in power, that's the ONLY thing that matters to them. Very sad what our society has come to that we do need guns to protect ourselves, but a facts a fact. However, far left has NEVER relied on 'facts'. They're fiction, all the way.

A tenant had me to come fix a problem. While there I saw an old long-barrelled .38 revolver lying on her nightstand. I commented that she shouldn't leave her gun out where anyone who came in the house could see it. She said that she didn't let people in her home. I said, "You let me in." She said that she trusted me. I said that a person she trusted might carelessly mention the gun to someone else, and that someone else come over and break in while she was gone out and steal her gun. She said, "When I ain't here it ain't here."

I absolutely agree. If there were published stories disclosing the homeowners who had weapons, a criminal could use that kind of map to break into one house that had a weapon, steal it and walk next door to the house that does not have weapons. Publications that list gun-owners are inversely putting non-weapon owners in danger, since it provides a detailed map of houses that are not defended. As a legally licensed gunowner, I did not give up my right to privacy when I received my license.Publication of gunowner's name and addresses provide a perfect map for those intending to do harm and other criminals. Everyone seems to be tying gun ownership to the tragedy in Sandy Hook. That tragedy was carried out by a mentally ill person. Using Sandy Hook as a basis to change gun laws is not presenting a clear reason for gun law changes. Our government is failing to provide treatment to the mentally ill. That shooter's mother tried to do everything right and get treatment for her son. Instead, he murdered her and then went on a rampage.

Has any media posted, in print or online a list of folks who pay their taxes, drive their vehicles according to the rules, pay for the items they go to a store for, and on and on with everyday instances where folks follow the law(s). Then why did that rag feel that the public had a 'right' to know what folks have a legitimately owned firearm? It serves no purpose except to sell newspapers, none whatsoever. That one person posted the addresses and phone numbers of the staff of that rag, does serve a purpose, it identifies and locates the dangerous imbeciles we all have to contend with anymore.
That woman may regret that she didn't kill that criminal outright. Some shyster attorney m,ay take up his case in civil court and sue her for violating his 'civil rights' when she shot him. I am sure his momma has already exclaimed that he "was such a good boy" or words to that effect. It's how multigenerational criminal families are. The only hope is that he dies, but ony after suffering the physicl pain he obviously sought to inflict on that woman and her children.
To that woman who shot that piece of crap? If you have trouble finding ammunition to replace what you shot, contact me, I'll gladly buy it for you. KUDOS TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY what I was thinking!

true, scum like that seem to find a shyster lawyer to sue the victim for ruining their lives by just wounding them. She should have taken a course in anatomy to locate the location of what constitutes fatal areas to shoot into.

Sorry my link above didn't work try this: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-hiding-woman-shot-during-fairburn-burglary/nTmk3/

reload and keep on shooting, hell, kneecap the sob, then elbowcap him. THEN once he stops screaming, THEN double tap him in the head. be ready to move from the area, since criminals tend to hang together in tribes.

Yeah I remember that story when it happened. They need to pass castle doctrine law in OK, it bothers me to no end that she had to worry about this for so long just for protecting herself.

If someone breaks into your home it doesn't matter if they have a weapon or not, and I'm not taking the time to ask, nor do I care.

I agree. In Chicago if someone kills a burglar etc the family goes after the person doing the shooting and tries to kill them. Why do you think Chicago is the murder capital of the US?

Chuck- Absolutely. Here is where you can buy them:
http://www.cafepress.com/frankopinions.339589358

Chuck Bagley has made no such effort to denigrate folks.

David- I don't think he was denigrating anyone. To me it sounded like he meant for those signs to be posted by people living next to those who believe citizens who lawfully own weapons should have their addresses listed in the newspaper (out of fairness), not people who are simply afraid to own a gun, like yourself.
You are lucky to have a commissioner with enough balls to speak his mind instead of merely pandering to whiners for the sake of votes.

That's a creepy and cowardly thing to do. Not neighborly either.

I think this comment , tho speaking of an impolite action, is showing the converse of what is occurring with the publishing of gun owners name. If you take issue with such an action as this, then as a non-gun owner you should also take issue with the publishing of gun owner info as it lists you as non-owner thru process of elimination.

Perhaps the points of those who will NOT support the efforts resulting in more gun regulation remember the government made a solemn commitment to NOT allow access to these types of records because:

1)They were confidential for government business only.
2) The records would be destroyed after short term use.

Our government has proven it CAN’T be trusted on EITHER front when those records found their way to the Internet.

PERHAPS, someone should release a map that contains those with DUI arrests, note I DIDN’T specify convictions – that may have a far more reaching affect on our public safety…

In Georgia, you have the right to use deadly force in defense of your home. From the sound of it, it's good the woman had a gun and good that she had it where she could get to it. For the full details regarding the conditions in which you can use deadly force in defense of habitation, read O.C.G.A. 16-3-23 http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/gacode/ or http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&section=23

There isn't a real solution. Criminals will continue to obtain guns and use them. They agree to the terms of their probation or parole and then violate it. There are places I would have a firearm, at home for protection and when driving alone. I never would have thought about having a weapon 10 years ago. Now I feel it is necessary for my peace of mind.

The WGCL report says he chased her through the house....but let us just for argument sake assume he didn't...you said his intent was no harm.....how do you know that? Should she have asked him? If he just wanted to rape her would you allow that? Maybe give him a time out and let him answer. What is wrong with you?

He chose to take up a life of crime, he knew the risks. He knew death was a possibility, yet he decided to do it.

He left her no choice. Thank god the law supports the homeowner in GA from thoughts such as yours.

FFT- The short answer is YES, he deserves to die. Stealing is a dangerous business. It is much safer to actually get a job and work for what you need.

@ Food
Yes EVERYONE who breaks into a home takes the time to check attic CRAWL spaces / access areas...

The bullet placement results may very well be due to the shear closeness of the perpetrator to the woman, after he opened the door to the attic access area, usually not a lot of open space in places like this...

You are absolutely right. She had the element of suprise and had to use it. What do people expect she should try to converse with him? We don't know everything that happened and we shouldn't because it could compromise prosecuting him. He might have seen evidence that someone was in the house after he got in. So he went searching for them. How many times do you see stories where a petty criminal murders a witness to a robbery because they can id him?

Thanks and that is exactly the point.

After some thought, I propose the only logical and immediate solution would be for the public to pressure Gannett to either:
A) Fund twenty-four hour intensive police (or National Guard) protection for every neighborhood, street and subdivision in Westchester and Rockland counties for the foreseeable future, or
B) Fund self-defense and firearms training for every citizen of those counties who requested it. Also included in their reparation should be any fee associated with firearm registration and any legal fees incurred by the residents in regard to their application. That would reshuffle the deck.

Which do you think they would choose? I bet I know which would be cheaper.

Jim- Are they stocking any .223 super-sonic yet?

This petty thief chose to be what he is. He picked the wrong house to break into. He may die and I wouldn't shed a tear. If he lives he will most likely spend some time in jail and then be released to pick up where he left off. What does his race have to do with it? A thief is a thief is a thief.

."Dont get me wrong..."
Look I read your other comment I take it you don't believe that anyone that forced their way into your house should be shot. Why lie now? What does his color matter? I care not what color someone that breaks into my home is, why try to play a race card here? I'll shoot any sob that breaks into my home, be them purple, burple, or gray.

Yes! He would not be a repeat offender. Also sends a message to others that would break and enter. Eliminate millions of dollars of legal battles and jail fees. Prevent the criminal from coming back for revenge.

I don't give a rat's patooty what age or color he is. If he breaks into my house and tracks down my wife and kids with a crowbar (as reported by police), then he should expect to die. And I hope he does. One less criminal. My favorite slogan: Hornady Critical Defense, making America safer one criminal at a time.

I don't own a gun, don't plan on owning one, and if a robber comes to my house and it's my time; it is my time-God planned it that way for me. I didn't know the robber was Black until I saw his prison photo on the news yesterday. And then it all made sense to me: that's why Loganville-Grayson Patch readers are so passionate about this man being shot to death by this mother. I feel bad for this poor woman too. Having to make the choice to shoot someone in front of her child and the burden of being responsible for someone's death (I believe this guy is going to die) is too much for anyone to bear. I believe a lot of the Loganville-Grayson Patch readers who comment on these posts are ugly people on the inside. You people really are ugly. There's a thread about random acts of kindness and it doesn't generate nearly as much response as this thread. The horse is dead! Stop beating it! People who want guns will get them, and people who don't want them won't get them.

Amy- So if someone broke into your house and killed you, you think it would just be God's will and you shouldn't fight it? What if you had two small children? Would it be God's will that they should die too? What if you survived and your children were killed? Would you rather live with the guilt of not protecting your children and allowing them to be brutally murdered or the guilt of killing a man to protect them?
Do you lock your house at night or do you just leave the door open in case God decides it's your night to die? It's fairly obvious you have never been responsible for anyone else's safety, nor, likely, your own.

Once again, an enlightened mind chooses to play the race card against those who have a different approach, attempting to discredit legitimate positions while perhaps practicing a little bit of libel and discrimination based on locale.

Flying Forklift :-) Good post Charles. It really is that simple.

Point of Information!
That Forklift crack is Priceless…

Thanks Tammy, I had no idea the idiot creep was Black, in fact, I sort of assumed he was a White idiot creep. Knowing now that he is Black, I'm surprised the race card had not been played sooner in this thread.

I dunno Tammy, it's just how I feel. I can't help it. My frame of reference is that I'm a Black woman. You're obviously a White person, and I can't begin to tell you what it's like to be White. My life as a Black person has been easy. I've never (overtly) been the victim of racism. My parents are immigrants, they came to the USA with two suitcases and the clothes on their backs. They lived the American dream and became homeowners, put us kids through college, and are retired happily. So maybe I've lived a sheltered life. I don't know the race of most of the people who post on this site, but they frighten me. I never knew such wicked people existed in this world. To wish death upon anyone. And I came to this realization during another discussion me and you had about another shooting. You know what I'm talking about. That discussion coupled with this one is really shaping my mind. The South is an evil place. I didn't listen to African-Americans who lived up North when they told me that moving down South is a big mistake.

Reportedly coming from the north and the SOUTH frightens you …

That’s a conclusion that is truly rich beyond words. Google NEWARK NJ riots and get a grip ...

Amy- I'm from Philadelphia and believe me. The South is a much safer AND better place to live, by far. The only real danger you face here as a Black woman is from your own kind, which really sucks.

And Jim, I was responding to 'food for thought' who asked if the reaction would have been the same had the robber been a young white male. So I didn't bring it up. Don't tell me my comment is wrong either. Your comment is stupid. It is my perception. My reality. Get it?

Tammy, you do not have the power to hurt my feelings. TRUST me on that. I've never been accused of being a racist or any other ugly human behavior. If ever I was, I would ask my accuser what I did for them to come to that conclusion, and would use that information to review my behavior and possibly work on it.

Here is a story where a mentally disturbed criminal walked only to kill a cop. http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-authorities-gave-accused-cop-killer-freedom/nTnwn/

We've read your text here ...

No offense taken Jim.

Thank you David, I was beginning to wonder if I'm crazy, or if I'm in the Twilight Zone.

William welcome. I hope you are aware of WisconsinCarry.

I think Jesus would find it for just what it was, a pretty good attempt at humor. As a Christian, I don't find Jesus as a dictator requiring us to find anything we disagree with as bad. I think he has a sense of humor that parallels ours. And yes, I think he might just disseminate it. At least share it with the Pope. They would probably have a good laugh over it.

Oh, by the way, just because you have no sense of humor doesn't mean we have to agree with anything you say. I realize you directed your comment at the writer, Tammy, however, its on a public site for all of us to read. So, just so you know, I don't agree to disagree. You need to get out more, learn to have fun, get a sense of humor. You're going to stress yourself to death.

I forwarded the video to my pastor. He's from Texas. He got a kick out of it.

That clip IS humorous and demonstrated that concealed carry is unobtrusive and that carrier reactions can be controlled, because there was not a single stray “pop” in response…

Yet many apparent interpretations tend to overlook the giving unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to GOD what is GOD’S…

So many today wish to give ”all to Caesar” and force all others to do the same, resulting a secular theocracy if you will. Because it’s easier than taking the responsibility directly.

Paul brought the man back to life that fell out of the window (Acts 20:9-11), numerous healings on his journey, and well as cast out demons and other miraculous things, (Acts 14:3 - miracles, Acts: 14: 8-10 heals lame man from birth, Acts: 16:16-18 demons possessed girl, Acts: 19: 11-12 heals those who touched his garment, Acts: 20:9-11 brings man that fell out of the window back to life, Acts 28:7-8 heals father of Publius, Acts 28:9 heals sick on Malta.) there are so many more, but the point is that he was anointed by the Lord.
I could go on. that's not misinterpretation, it's simply taking out my bible and reading it. Jesus said that in His name all believers would be able to do this. Ultimately, we leave the results to Him, and many times He has a greater plan and someone goes on to be with Him. BUT there are times that the Lord may say, lay hands on this person and they are healed. I've seen it too many times to doubt that those things are for today. I don't question it if it doesn't turn out the way I want, I simply obey what the Holy Spirit tells me to do. God did work this for His good however, because there may be some who have never read the book of Acts nor heard anyone speak of such a powerful God.

God allows, no, insists we interpret scripture for ourselves. Maybe we interpret it the same way, maybe not. I won't suggest you are wrong if you do the same. Otherwise I will have to pull out my Doctor of Divinity degree from Emory University and debate you. But I prefer not to use it. I have interpreted the Word for myself and am comfortable with it. And I'm comfortable God is OK with my interpretations.

I'm just taking a guess here David....Jehovah's Witness?

Paul did that? Surely you meant to write Jesus healed the sick and raised the dead.

Interpreting the Bible for yourself, let alone others, is a tricky task. It's why I like my preachers to be well educated to go with their calling.

That's why you must study GGY. Don't be mislead by many preachers. Their interpretation may be right or it may be wrong. I have a thorough education in religion, however, many things I was taught are just plain wrong. Someone else's interpretation that just doesn't make sense when studied. That's the reason I became an attorney instead of a pastor.

I do study, Mr. B, but I still like preachers who are well educated and aren't shouting emotional misinformation at the congregation. I didn't say you shouldn't try to understand for yourself, but just as people get other subject matter mixed up, so do they with Scripture. I personally don't like lay people preaching at me. Both preachers and lawyers get stuff wrong.

The world is broken Racer. It doesn't mean God isn't with us protecting us. We may get cancer but God may provide doctors and treatments, put people in place to assist us. There may be home invasions but God may provide us with defense options. I have a great story about God's intervention in a serious illness but will leave that for private conversations.

Mr. B- My thoughts precisely. I believe, Doctor's and Nurses have the capacity to be instruments of God, as do concerned citizens who arm themselves. Thank you for making my point, if only David, among others, could grasp this concept.

Amen my sister in reality.

Very well said. During school, I was a young associate pastor in a large church. I believed I was doing God's work. Then I ran into the politics of big churches. The pastor's sermon on Sunday may have been direct from God but the business end was atrocious. I was disillusioned at first. But through prayer and meditation, God led me in a different direction. I went back to school and became a family law attorney and feel I have done more for God through that avenue than I could have in a church.

Mr. B.-Thanks for you testimony. To elaborate, what I meant by the Assisi comment, was that I appreciate that you saw your calling and followed it. So many in the church think they are called to preach or sing or something WITHIN the church but they're not called! Sometimes our greater calling is out there where we walk and talk every day. I know, because I tried the inside the church thing until God did something drastic to show me otherwise. I ended up in the public school system and got involved with troubled kids, built a rapport with them, and then later on began working in the jails where I met them again. Didn't have to build a relationship - it was already orchestrated by design. What if I had been stubborn and stayed in the church only? They wouldn't have gotten much because I would have been out of order. My pastor says that although we bring church services on sunday, the greater ministry is when we visit them on wed. and sat. That's when they see us taking time to just "be there". That speaks the gospel louder than any sermon they'll hear in church. Sometimes I just help with essays or math, or listen as they tell me about their family. One kid, he and I both love boxing and talked the whole time about our love for the sport. I love talking about their gifts and finding a career that fits. It gives them hope for after they get out. Jesus took the gospel to the simple and ordinary. He didn't wait for them to come to the Temple. He met them where they lived.

Karsten- It's how GGY operates. Tammy is smart, concise, objective and, God knows, forgiving. She always turns the other cheek whenever chubby comes at her with her hair on fire. It's really a shame The Patch allows GGY to continue to post.

Karsten, I was not wrong. Tammy did not correct me. She chastised, goaded, insulted and judged me. I thought she made a mistake and I pointed that out. She didn't like it because I said I didn't like lay people preaching at me. I meant all lay people who preach at others, thinking they're Biblical authority. See below if you're interested in the source of my "indignation", or not.

Much of what she says about most subjects, specifically politics, causes me to mistrust her statements and "facts". I didn't say they were immaterial - I said they diminish credibility, but whatever.

Racer, see my reply to you above.

What's really a wonder is that Patch allows you to continue your insults and personal attacks. Get some help with that hormone issue, man. And while you're at it, tell the doc you have a really bad problem with women.

GGY- I support Tammy instead of you so I have a problem with women...........alrighty then. Truth be known, I just have a problem with trolls.

Racer, you have many problems from what I have read of your views.

You have a running theme in your commentary against women who have opposite opinions. You name call, attack and insult, and you often mention hormones in your posts to me. That is indicative of several problems.

Tammy is in your radar, so not surprised you would defend her.

You have a knight-in-shining-armor complex, coming to the rescue of yon fair damsel. On anyone else that might even be sweet. With you, it's creepy.

Where you been, anyway? I was enjoying the relative peace and quiet without your sniping at me. Let's call a truce - you leave me alone and bother someone else, and I won't reply to anything you write.

GGY- Thanks for the psychoanalysis. It's funny to see you so jealous of Tammy and Mr B's education, willingness to help others and clear perspective. Here you have a couple of folks who recognize reality and are doing what they can to help others while you sit there and spew self-righteous indignation.

Racer, you're welcome. I'm trying to be helpful as you obviously just can't help yourself.

I assure you, I am not jealous of either Tammy's or Mr. B's "education". They have both shown themselves to write like know-it-alls, but they are not know-it-alls. As for them trying to help others, not happening. On their clear perspective - granted their perspective is very, very clear. But, I acknowledge, it is many hats they seem to wear :D That's my observant opinion, just as they have many times, like you, offered their opinions of me. Isn't turn-about fair play?

Hey, Racer, what happened to your post where you said you would like to see me hit by a bus (along with a hormone comment)? Did Patch censure you again? Likely, Patch did. You don't seem to have a filter.

GGY- I guess Patch deleted it and justifiably so. When I think of all the bus passengers that would be injured by running into you I realize it was a mistake. Thanks for bringing it back up though.

It wouldn't be worth the dent put in the bus actually............

Thought so, Racer. It's good to know they're looking at your posts.
You're welcome. I want people to see you for what you are :D

Or it may have ended the same way. His partner would probably have been down at the local fast food restroom cleaning the crap out of his pants by the time the last shot was fired. Criminals are mostly cowards.

Actually these comments should stand as written as they provide an interesting contrast.

No apologies should be required here as nothing offensive was posted. ( that I've read anyway)

*Disclaimer - Something may have been removed of which I didn't see.

Tammy, you should apologize to me, but I don't expect that.

What you said that cut so deeply was that I "shamed" my Lord.

I am a grandmother, a life-long Christian, and have experienced many types of people, but I have never had anyone say something so hateful, hurtful and wrong-spirited. Imagine someone saying that to you. See what I mean?

For further clarification, see my comments to others above on this exchange, or not.

Yes, you should have walked away from that one.

O thou prideful one...

Mr. B, my second biggest shock yesterday was seeing you write that you went to seminary to become a pastor. Given the harsh words and personal attacks you have written to and about me, you made the right decision to become a lawyer instead. Much more befitting of your "character". But, on the other hand, too bad you chose family law. Criminal defense seems more suitable.

O thou judgeful one...

Not judging, Mr. B, observing. And what is it you are doing?

Observing.

With open eyes.

Open eyes, required when reading, unless you're sight impaired and use Braile.

Open mind, harder to conjure up. Good luck with that.

Tammy, here's where you jumped from talking about Jesus: "I have a feeling the same Jesus who told the disciples to take their swords with them would understand perfectly."

to:"
He spoke of both SPIRITUAL truths and advised in the PHYSICAL (the same Paul who healed the sick and raised the dead advised timothy to "take medicine for your ailments..."). Those who live by the sword are the ones he advised them to take a sword for! "

Then you went back in the next evening to bring in a comment about Paul, after I questioned your mention of Paul when you were paraphrasing Jesus. That Paul comment actually was out of context. Even Mr. B didn't attack me on that point.

That's just for the record. I like to set all things straight, and that was bothering me because I felt you ambushed me, accusing me of arguing about the Word, when it was your comment which needed clarification and that had invited my question.

GGY-Since you invoked my name and accused me of being close minded (I didn't think you engaged in personal attacks), I feel some obligation to respond. I assume that's what you want. I re-read the entire exchange.

Tammy was telling a story from the Bible about Paul's miracles and you attempted to correct her stating the subject should be Jesus and not Paul. Tammy then verified the story. And she went further to explain that we all have the power, provided by the Holy Spirit, to do miracles ourselves. Just have Faith, true Faith, never questioning Faith. Almost impossible, I admit. Even though I have witnessed miracles personally, it's still difficult to release myself from the World and have that kind of Faith.

But your response, as usual when someone attempts to show you the light, was to attack Tammy and now go on and on trying to defend yourself and put yourself in a superior light. Personally, I don't care one way or the other. I encouraged you earlier to study the Word. Not knowing every story in the Bible isn't a crime. Even those of us that have studied it, been educated in it, and read it over and over miss things often. One of the things I find amazing about the Bible is that every time I read something, I find something new.

My final word on the subject. My final review of this thread. Let's talk about something else.

Mr. B, it was Tammy who confused the issue in her story. You know that. It's why you didn't jump on me when you made the very next comment. She was talking about Jesus, and mentioned Paul out of the blue. It was in need of clarification. It was she who pounced. Her self-defense mechanism set in, most likely. But I didn't deserve what she said to me. You can't re-read all the comments because they have been deleted (she admitted to editing hers, which seems disingenuous after the fact, instead of offering an explanation and apology). Too late to do a full, knowledgeable critique. It's obvious you and she don't feel I have a right to defend myself.

I rarely make personal attacks, but I am human and have human feelings. Some of you categorize observations as attacks, all the while attacking. Take a look at what you have said to and about me on various blog comments, and those of other like-minded participants. Take a good, honest look and tell me you guys don't come after me regularly with personal attacks; some of them are vicious, some even vulgar.

I have never had Tammy, with all her Christian convictions, come to my defense. She seems quite okay with the vulgarity and personal comments when they're directed at me. If you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

You and Tammy want this put to bed because you're not willing to admit your participation in what went wrong. I was deeply bothered by her comments and had every right to say it. I put it aside to enjoy the evening with my family and got this nastiness off my mind for a while. Today, I had a very cleared headed, less emotional assessment. I wasn't wrong, but I was wrongly attacked.

Of course, you want it to go away. You two should have thought of that earlier.

JK, it wasn't still going strong until someone decided to revive it with a video someone else thought was not humorous. It had faded away naturally. I didn't watch the video personally, but I'll go along with the someone else. There's nothing, ever, funny about guns. They're serious business.

No! that linked video was a hoot!

Tammy- You are a delight. Don't go changing or apologizing :-)

Tammy, you should have done your editing before you posted it live. Too late, damage done once others can read it (even if you edit or delete, the posts show up in email notifications), especially the one person who felt it the most.

You see, there you go again with your characterizations - I didn't "demand" an apology. I did say you should apologize but that I didn't expect it. Can you ever see where your phrasing and your words create unnecessary controversy?

Actually, I didn't correct you, I questioned you - which you were prideful about, but could have answered in a reasonable way. That educated remark was my personal opinion on preachers. I think you took it personally, which was not intended. I have no idea why you thought I was talking about you. Are you an ordained preacher?

You should go back and inventory all of your sermonettes and other lessons. I do believe you have David and me beat, in both volume and quantity. He did teach me a new word - polemics. Interesting definition that word has.

That was a somewhat back-handed sort of explanation, filled with more judgment and accusations: "I don't expect one from you as you seldom admit you can be wrong and will only defend yourself and then be more demanding." I try not to be wrong in the first place, but I have admitted to not being an expert and have no aversion to apology. Continuing harsh posts are not conducive to an atmosphere of understanding or apology.

Tammy, I'm not sure what you mean by ". . . it would grieve me to know that I did it." Are you saying that I did "shame the body of Christ", as you judged me in your comment, or that you would feel what I did if someone said that to you?

There's no "if" about it. You did hurt me with those words. I told you that. Offering me a qualifying apology and turning this around on me isn't helping. If you can find it in your heart to do better, that would be appreciated. If not, I rest my case except to say this:

Whenever I have heard or read such unfortunate exchanges as the one on this thread, it makes me think that so many unbelievers, tender new Christians and Christians at a stage in which they doubt their faith because of circumstances are turned away from God by Christians . . . Christians whose testimony, words or hypocritical behavior/lifestyle turn unknown and uncounted souls away from, not toward, Jesus.

As Paul usually ended his letters, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."

GGY - And who appointed you the Politically Correct Word Police? And why is it that you, supposedly, can be the only one offended.....and then demand an apology? And, yes, in your comment you demanded an apology. (There you go again - you say suggest, we hear demand. We say defend, you hear offend. Why is it you get to be the deciding factor in how or what is said and how it is interpreted?) At least others admit their faults, apologize (when or if necessary), and allow for differing opinions.

In referencing two of your posts/comments, I have to agree with you that some of the exchanges on this post have been 'unfortunate' especially to a 'non believer or someone questioning their faith'. Specifically your following exchange:

"Paul did that? Surely you meant to write Jesus healed the sick and raised the dead."

Please give me your biblical references since you replied to a post that listed actual scripture to back-up the point - or dispute the scripture that was given. Surely you're not saying Jesus is the only one who healed the sick and raised the dead.

I'm so sick of the idea that you become a victim when you've been offended. Then, you are sooooo offended that you demand an apology but then say 'well, your apology wasn't heartfelt enough so I'm still offended and I'm still a poor victim'. Get over it!!! Want something biblical??? God tells us we will be persecuted and that we should Rejoice and be glad when it happens. Matthew 5:10-12

yup....yup...what Dish said.....amazing how so many of us see things so clearly........

@ The Dish - I don't know where you came from to add another attack on me, but welcome to the fray. Maybe you can teach some folks that if they dish it out, they should stand ready to take it. The original posts were deleted so you can only offer a partial evaluation. Did you see them before the editing? If you did and still defend them, you've got no gripe at me.

Nowhere did I make a demand - I said "should" get an apology and that I "didn't expect it". Tammy, though, orders me to "Take out your Bible." And you,demand that I "Get over it!"

You take a look at the comments made to me and honestly say I haven't been attacked by several in this thread alone. In fact, in nearly every thread following any blogs, these people come after me. There's quite the documented history on that fact. That makes one a victim. It makes the ones who say the hurtful, offensive things to me or anyone else, the perpetrator. They're in control of that situation.

I can take care of myself. But why are you coming to their defense? They are also capable of counterattacks. Why aren't you telling them to stop it and get over it?

I posed my question the way I did because the lady was talking about Jesus, not Paul. She realized that after she judged my faith and intent. Her apology wasn't heartfelt, it was "if I offended". A sincere apology isn't prefaced that way and doesn't then proceed to turn it back on the offended. What about turning the other cheek, being humble, "the meek shall inherit the earth"?

Christian arrogance and aggression is dangerous to the faith.

It's all very unpleasant and uncomfortable for readers. For me, it's personal. And, it is against the Patch terms of service to attack other posters. I didn't make those rules.

GGY...I could be wrong but it sounds like The Dish's critique of your antics is not solely based on this thread...whatcha think...since you're smarter than the rest of us you surely must have the answer.

John B, I don't think you're wrong on that, but I have never heard from or seen this poster before. Maybe he/she is lashing out at me now in defense of his/her secret personal shortcomings. Maybe he/she is trying to appease an unacknowledged guilty conscience. It isn't healthy to bottle up one's angst like that. Maybe he/she should have come forward before. Maybe he/she will grace us with another post and declare him/herself.

That doesn't make his/her or your critique of me accurate, whether or not he/she has been following my posts. I know you have. Thanks for the compliment, but I know I'm not smarter than anyone in particular :) You must think so, you said it. And you didn't qualify it with a hearty LOL.

GGY-
My 1st comment on the Patch was 10/20/11...not that I need to justify anything to you.

And your attempts to delegitimize me (my shortcomings, guilty conscience, angst, etc) are just the same old typical liberal BS - straight from the Alinsky rule book: delegitimize opposition; pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it

But I say whatever because I have also been attacked on this forum before and I'm sure I will be in the future as well. The difference between us? I got over it!

Dear Dish,

My history here doesn't go back that far. I personally have never seen your writings, which is what I said. You popped up to criticize me, not the other way around, so you invited my reply to your personal attack on me.

There is nothing for me to get over. I don't comment on everything I read or that bothers me - much written here isn't worth anyone's time. My opinions are mine, but I recognize they're subject to others' comments and counters. However, if I am attacked personally, I don't leave it lay.

Humor always has value.

"Had no real value." Hmmm....what value should it have had? It was entertaining and rather enlightening. I'm a tad confused by this comment.....