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Flash Poll: Georgia Democrats say Paul Ryan Pick for VP can help Obama Win

A Patch panel of Democratic elected officials and activists say the Ryan pick draws a stronger contrast between presidential candidate Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama.

 

A Patch poll of Georgia Democrats found that most respondents think Mitt Romney’s decision to tap Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate could make it easier for Democrats to paint the GOP ticket as out of touch with the middle class.

“Romney is now absolutely married to the tax breaks for the rich, tax increases for the middle class, gut the programs for everybody but the 1%,” one respondent said.

Most of those who took part in the nonscientific flash poll agreed that Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, will ‘galvanize’ Democrats in the Peach State. Twenty Democratic elected officials, candidates and activists completed the nonscientific survey over the weekend.

Several respondents said they didn’t think the Ryan selection would make a big different in Georgia, which has been a safe Republican state in the past several presidential races, though it could help Democrats in other key states.

“They [the Romney-Ryan ticket] will have to defend public policy that is antithetical to the needs of middle and working class Americans,” said one respondent.

Respondents overwhelmingly agreed that the Ryan pick would give Democrats a chance to win the presidential race by running against the Congressman’s budget plans, which would reduce spending on Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. Sixty percent strongly agreed and 30 percent somewhat agreed with the statement, "Now that Ryan is on the ticket, Georgia Democrats can win by running against Ryan's existing budget plans and particularly his proposal for Medicare."

Still, Democratic respondents were less strong in their opinion on whether the Ryan pick would help Democrats win the support of senior citizens in Georgia. Forty percent agreed with that statement and 15 percent somewhat agreed.

When asked if they felt the Ryan nomination would “galvanize” Georgia Democrats, 35 said they strongly agreed and 40 percent said they somewhat agreed.

A similar flash poll of influential Georgia Republicans found enthusiasm for the Romney-Ryan team.

Here are some excerpts from the Democratic respondents:

  • “He’s not from the South – can’t imagine he’s going to win over undecideds in Georgia.”
  • “Senior citizens will be pushed toward President Obama because of Ryan's Medicare voucher plan.”
  • “The CEO has hired a brilliant and youthful CFO.”

Related headlines from Patch sites across the country:

Blue Commonwealth Snap Poll: Massachusetts Democrats Say Ryan’s Budget Plans Will Hurt GOP

Illinois Politicos: Paul Ryan VP Selection Could Energize Both Parties

Democrat Rep. Gerry Connolly Calls VP Pick Ryan an ‘Amicable Radical’

Would you like to take part in future polls? If you are an elected official, candidate or party activist _ Republican or Democrat _ and you'd like to take part in our surveys, please email Regional Editor Anna Varela.

Related Topics: Georgia Democrats, Patch Poll, and Paul Ryan

jerry moore

9:47 am on Monday, August 13, 2012

Lets See you ask a Democrat a question about a Republican. What kind of response would you have expected?

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George Wilson

12:52 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

I just find it interesting that Paul Ryan used social security benefits from the early death of his father for college.He now wants to dismantle social security and medicare as we know it. Both highly successful programs that many people depend upon just as Paul Ryan once did.What is this?I got mine now to hell with you.

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jerry moore

1:12 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Well if you have a program that's heading for a cliff what do you do? The problem George is that most people only hear what they want to hear and then ignore the rest of what is said. Read into his history and you'll learn that basically nothing is going to change for those receiving benefits now. Now for those that are under 55 yes it would. With those changes it may just keep the program alive for a bit longer.

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George Wilson

2:57 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

This would only result in the slow death of medicare which the right- wing conservatives hate but most people like.

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George Wilson

2:59 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Medicare and Social Security can be saved and improved .Their are better ways of doing it rather than Ryan's plan which is radical.

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bob

6:55 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Medicare and SS highly successful? You're delusional, and both programs are broke.

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don simpson

5:57 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Social Security is not broke. From about 1985 on more money was collected in payroll taxes than was needed to pay benefits. The intent of the extra tax collection was to pay for the baby boomers when they retired. That money went into bonds that the government is obligated to pay off when Social Security needs the money. If nothing else is done the Social Security trustees will start turning those bonds in to get the money needed to help pay benefits to the baby boomers, as intended. With this money the trust fund is solvent for about the next twenty five years even under the worse financial conditions, which correspond to us continuing to have the economic policies collectively known as supply side economics.

There are people who don't believe that the general revenue fund should have to pay back these bonds, that we should effectively default on them. But even under these conditions Social Security wouldn't be bankrupt, they would slowly reduce benefits as they exceeded receipts from the payroll tax. But this would require further legislation to default on the bonds and anyone who voted to default would have to answer to the voters for reducing Social Security benefits.

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don simpson

7:22 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Of course Medicare and Medicaid are in trouble because of the run away costs of medical care. These costs have spiraled out of control over the last thirty years as more and more of the health care industry in the US has been converted from a non-profit into a for profit business model. Health care is an extremely poor place to experiment with the for profit way of doing business. We all, not just Medicare, are paying the price for this experiment.

Only Global warming is as big of a problem facing the country as the run away costs of medical care. Neither is made any easier by the fact that one of our major parties representing nearly half of the country refuse to face either problem, preferring to ignore both.

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Dau

4:45 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

That is the point my friend. He got help from dead but rich Dad.Romney went to business with dead fathers influence and fame. Now these same people want to shut the door for others who need help and who do not have inherited advantages. Romney says if you want to start business,borrow money from your parents and treats coporations like people

Bert Etheredge

1:16 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

George, where did you get your information? Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment, but there are no Social Security benefits for children's student aid (college) unless that person is disabled.

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George Wilson

2:54 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Ryans's father died when he was sixteen at the age of 55 of a heart attack .Ryan saved the money from social security benefits to start college at 18. my .I had multiple sources but the easiest to review is the New York Times article on Ryan this morning.

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SeniorSoon

5:13 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Paul Ryan, Sr. died when he was 55. Ryan, Jr. collected Social Security survivor benefits until he was 18 years old. But they didn’t go directly to supporting his family; by his own account, he banked them for college. He went to Miami University of Ohio, paying twice as much tuition as an Ohio resident would have if he had gone to the in-state University of Wisconsin system. After his government-subsidized out-of-state education, he went to work for government!

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Paul Wallace

5:21 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

"After his government-subsidized out-of-state education, he went to work for government!"
Is that what Social Security is? A government subsidy? I've been paying into Social Security for nearly 40 years. I'd like to think that it's my money if I ever see it, not a government subsidy.

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Dau

4:50 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

If you are deceased,your infant children( Paul Ryan) through college (age21) receive SS benefits
payments and your survving spouse(paul Ryan's mother) also draws SS benefit until she dies

George Wilson

5:26 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

I just wrote a check to the Obama campaign for $500.00.Ryan's selection has energized me to defeat these radicals.

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Oconee Watchdog

5:48 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

George; your overwhelming attitude of democratic ignorance, appeasement, self-righteous arrogance and overreaching government control oozes out of your pores. You see; Paul Ryan is smarter than you on his worst day and your best day. I hope you had fun bathing in the luke-warm bath water that was the Obama Administration, the only thing worse for this country than President Obama was Carter… Have fun George, I hear Puerto Vallarta is nice this time of year!

By the way, your $500 is nothing compared to the millions Romney is outraising the Annointed One by!

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Paul Wallace

6:10 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Obama's gonna cost you a hell of a lot more than that. Dummy!

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Oconee Watchdog

10:33 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Dummy? Ok... Nice comeback, I will just wait on January, thanks George!

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

10:51 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Wouldn't that amount have been better spent sending it directly to the treasury?

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George Wilson

1:12 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Oconee Watchdog,
Your boy is being bought by his corporate masters .Thanks to the bad decision on the Citizens United case by the supreme court, you have lost your democracy to multi- national corporations.Paul Ryan is what he is a radical right winger and like Newt not very smart.

Tammy Osier

6:07 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Even Democrats know that medicaid and medicare is almost bancrupt and needs fixing. here is Ryan's plan. He at least gives choices which is more than people are getng now. :
1. No one over the age of 55 would be affected in any way.
2. Traditional Medicare fee-for-service would remain available for all. “Premium support”—that is, government funding of private insurance plans chosen by individuals—is an option for those who choose it. No senior would be forced out of the traditional Medicare program against his will.
3. Overall funding for Medicare under the Ryan-Wyden plan is scheduled to grow at the same rate as under President Obama’s proposals. Is this “gutting Medicare” and “ending Medicare as we know it”? In reality, it’s the market giving seniors cheaper, higher quality choices they can take if they wish, with the traditional program remaining an option.

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Paul Wallace

6:15 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Finally! Somebody who knows what they're talking about.
Thank you!

bob

6:52 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

George is your typical lib. All bluster, no knowledge. 500 dollars could have been better used in the community. But it's his money to urinate away. Give till it hurts georgey. I love it.

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lynchsales

6:55 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Bob, I believe that $500.00 George gave will be just enough for a deposit on Michele's shoes.

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Paul Wallace

7:00 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

George seems like the kind of guy that probably does give generously to the community but you're right about the $500. It's his to wizz. : )

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George Wilson

1:14 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

@bob
I will at least go down fighting.

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George Wilson

1:16 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

@lynchsales
When I met Michele at a fund raiser ...her shoes didn't seem that fancy.

bob

7:03 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Doubtful Paul, libs traditionally donate other peoples money, rarely do they use their own money. They're better at taking than they are giving.

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lynchsales

7:22 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

Since I am a conservative and a person that loves our constitution I think George should spend his money any way he likes. Unlike his president who thinks HE should be able to tell him what he will be spending his money on. I always laugh at Liberals. They want to elect people that will take away the very rights that allows them to get on the internet and speak their minds. They will miss the constitution when it's gone.

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George Wilson

1:20 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

@bob,
As the owner of three corporations ,thanks to the "Citizens United" decision I can give unlimited amounts of corporate money to pacs.Let me assure you that before this election is over ...I will.

Nod

10:10 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

The brutal personal attacks by supposed civil people (especially supposed adults) never cease to amaze me.

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George Wilson

10:31 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012

@all

Argumentum Ad Hominem arguments/attacks are fallacies in logic but its also nice that you put a little hate in their for emphasis. All I can say is that you have already lost your freedom to the corporations and you don't even know it has happened..

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George Wilson

1:27 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

@Nod,
Just wait until we get closer to November...you haven't seen nothing yet!

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Racer X

8:18 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

George- You said "As the owner of three corporations ,thanks to the "Citizens United" decision I can give" Then you said, "All I can say is that you have already lost your freedom to the corporations..."
Who's side are you on? I am sure I am missing something here. Please explain.

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George Wilson

9:50 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

A@Mike Horsman
My companies could be better described as small businesses.I'm referring to large multi national corporations that have no loyalty to any country.They contribute millions not hundreds.

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George Wilson

10:32 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

@MikeHorsman
A perfrct example of what I'm talking is the billionaire casino mogul,Sheldon Adelman, who gave over 10 million to the Gingrich campaign.Adelman met with Republican operatives in Israel doing the Romney visit. He has promised the Romney campaign millions.What are Adelman's motives? War with Iran,support of Israel's policies,or moving money from his Chinese casinos at a tax advantage to the United States.All of the above?

SeniorSoon

8:23 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

@Nod - Unfortunately, I'm not even a little bit surprised by Personal (ad hominem) attacks. It's always easier to attack the person rather than putting some thought into the issues at hand.

Ryan plan is to phase out Medicare in its current form and to make Medicare a voucher system. Senior will get $6,500 a year to pay private premiums. In addition, he want to repeal the ACA which puts restraints on premium costs and prevents insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-exisiting conditions. And by giving up the government's ability to negotiate for large groups, it will be unable to exert the same amount of pressure on care providers to bring down costs.

What do you think insurance companies are going to charge a 70 year old for coverage after Obamacare premium protection gets repealed under these guys? Think double that or more. It would mean that individuals would have to pay the increasing difference between the voucher cost and price of insurance, and that as a result, fewer would be insured. You are going to have seniors spending nearly their entire Social Security check on health insurance.

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lynchsales

8:41 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

I hope when I'm a senior that I don't sell out the country that has been so good to me and my family because I failed to plan properly so I my vote is based on taking something from those who actually earned their wealth so I can live a cushy life when I am no longer working. That attitude is outdated I guess but it use to be the norm. There is not one senior under Ryan's plan that would not be taken care of anyway, yet the left just keeps repeating what they are told to repeat over and over and over again. If you keep saying it it doesn't make it true.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

11:20 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Sorry Lych its time to call out of bounds...

Too many Seniors contributed in too many ways for you to even make these statements.
Quite frankly, we wouldn't even be here to make those observations if not for their efforts. (No I'm not a fan of the "you didn't build that" train of thought either)

Having stated that, changes of SOME type MUST be made or there will be nothing left.

SeniorSoon

9:43 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Because we failed to plan properly? The only thing millions of people who worked for 25 or 30 years and invested their hard earned dollars failed to plan for was the unrestrained greed of big Wall Street corporations; the same greedy corporations who are enjoying the lowest tax rate in the last 50 years, outsourcing jobs at the highest rate in history and paying their CEOs whopping bonuses for doing so! These so-called "job creators" are the ones with the cushy life, not the people who've had their pension plans decimated and their 401Ks collapsed.

Under Ryan's plan, seniors who are under 55 will be at the mercy of private insurance companies--the same companies who will take your insurance premiums when you're young and healthy and then deny you coverage when you get sick.

The only thing Ryan's plan does is set a maximum dollar amount on the federal government's obligation and let's the rest be addressed by the free market. It makes absolutely no attempt to fix rising costs or the problem of the uninsured. It just pushes the rising costs onto the backs of those on Medicare.

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George Wilson

1:36 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

@SeniorSoon
Well said!
I would add that medical care is just not like buying a TV or car.Gee Doc, I need to get three quotes on that gall blatter operation before I can proceed. Also, think about all those elderly people with with some diminished mental capacity making buying decisions on a complicated medical insurance plan. These are real life practical realities that people like Paul Ryan at age 42 don't understand.

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Racer X

8:21 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

The only people who don't shop health care are getting it paid for by someone else.

KP-Dallas

2:45 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Those who think it's a good idea to shift any portion of our senior population to private insurance surely live in a bubble of subsidized employer insurance. Once that goes away, I promise you, you are screwed to the tune of about $10k a year to buy health care (according to Kaiser Family Foundation estimates, per its health subsidy calculator, for a 64-year-old). And that will only be if you're healthy -- forget it if you've ben ill. That total will get even more ugly as we all age to 65, 70, 80 -- and as corporations continue to gut pensions (and the average American's retirement saving is about 50k). Oh, and don't forget the ugly higher unemployment rate for those over 50.

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lynchsales

8:08 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Ryan's plan is only for people 54 and under. Try again. I'll wait for you to watch Chris Matthews for your talking points.

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SeniorSoon

9:28 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Only for people 54 and under? Do you think that someone who is 54 year old is suddenly going to stop aging? What happens in three years when he's 57 and all he's got is a voucher that covers only half of the cost of premiums? Ryan's plan destroys the safety net for seniors--the same safety net that YOU will need when you get older.

There's a reason why even Newt Gingrich called it right-wing social engineering. But instead of arguing that it's just talking points, why don't you instead tell us how Romney/Ryan plans to controls escalating health care costs to insure that people who are now living into their 80s and 90s have decent health care for the last years of their life.

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Micaela

12:13 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

It's hard to believe that private health plans for seniors would be cheaper than Medicare, as Medicare's administrative costs are really low (3%), while private plans can have administrative costs as high as 30% or more.

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Racer X

8:25 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I think if you look at total administrative costs of plans rather than percentages you will see different numbers. Also, I will never be so naive as to believe Medicare's administrative costs are an actual 3%. There is a lot more to that picture.

SeniorSoon

4:31 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Exactly! The ACA limits administrative costs to 15% or less and that's why some employers, employees and those who pay for private insurance are now getting getting refund checks in the mail. Going forward providers must keep their costs below that threshold.

There are many ways to fix Medicare that will not take away the safety net for seniors and other vulnerable people. But any plan MUST address the escalating cost of health care and the Ryan plan does not do that at all. He leaves it up to the "free market" (which = for-profit corporations).

We all saw in 2008 how well they've been looking out for us!

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Micaela

5:24 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

I think Paul Ryan wants to turn Social Security over to Wall Street and Medicare over to private insurance companies, since they are some of his biggest backers. Future seniors will be thrown under the bus; current seniors will not be affected because Ryan wants their votes!

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Paul Wallace

5:28 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

That's it. You have it all figured out. Good for you. *

bob

5:50 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Better than you Paulie. You can say what you want on the net. But we all know you're a liar. That's how liberals advance their position. They lie. Just like you lied about all of the companies you say you own.

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Paul Wallace

5:54 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

What are you talking about bobby? When did I comment on all the companies I own? Please point that one out for everyone or go back to your x-box and stay out of adult conversations.

bob

6:03 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Go back and read your own posts, I wont do your work for you. You, typical liberal, bragged about all the companies you own. By the way moron, I don't own an x box. I'm too busy working than to play childish games. By the way, I work for a man that believes in America, and when Obama was selected he swore to not hire until he was deselected. He's held to that, and out company, which you don't own is successful beyond the Obama model. This man built his business, without the help of the moron in chief.

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bob

6:13 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Just as I thought, Paulie is not going to respond. When a lib is confronted with facts, they retreat.

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Tammy Osier

6:29 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

There is no plan to completely privitize it. Liberals have to keep sayingthat (hoping taht will make it true?). Here it is again so the conversation can get back on track (Ryan's words):
Overall funding for Medicare under the Ryan-Wyden plan is scheduled to grow at the same rate as under President Obama’s proposals. Is this “gutting Medicare” and “ending Medicare as we know it”? In reality, it’s the market giving seniors cheaper, higher quality choices they can take if they wish, with the traditional program remaining an option.

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Micaela

7:16 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I still don't understand how these choices can be cheaper and higher quality when private plans have much higher administrative costs.

SeniorSoon

7:42 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Vouchers are going to be for everyone 55 and under, including those who choose the government option. That IS ending Medicare as we know it. And that's the Ryan plan--to shift the cost difference between the voucher amount and the escalating costs of private provider services onto the backs of seniors.

And while both proposals a project similar funding rate, unlike the Obama's plan, the Ryan plan has proposed zero cost controls. The money saved from capping Medicare funding and strict cost control in Obama's plan will be returned to Medicare to continue to fund the program. The money saved from capping Medicare funding in the Ryan plan will be used to fund tax cuts (and not for the middle class!) Seniors will be the ones who bear the burden of greater out-of-pocket costs.

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Racer X

8:09 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I'm no Republican but.......A "nonscientific flash poll of Georgia's Democrats" came to an anti-Republican conclusion. Isn't that like asking George Clooney who his favorite actor is?
I don't see the point of an article with as little to discuss as a "nonscientific flash pole of Georgia Democrats". To be fair, I would not see the point of an article discussing a nonscientific flash poll of Georgia Republicans either.
Jesus Christ, get a life.

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SeniorSoon

2:13 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I think a lot of people are trying to keep their life, Mike, and quite a bit of that depends on which road the government on Medicare. But yeah, for a serious discussion there needs to be a serious thread/topic. Have you seen one here?

Thanks, Brian. I saw that you ventured into the Republican Flash Poll thread and all I can say is....you're a better person than I am! :-)

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