Haha, that is so awesome!

And now I guess you are going to try to tell us that Obama is. What a joke!

Peter wake-up, get your head out of the sand!!!!!

That is pretty hilarious. Have you watched and heard anything Good Ole Joe has said lately? He could go on a comedy tour and never run out of material!

Todd has a good point here, the partisanship in the country will never change if we don't listen to facts, weigh them up and then decide. Rhetoric doesn't help. Lets have a conversation based on the whole picture, not just talking points from either side that we've had drummed into us. None of us agree 100 percent with either party, but we have people trying to convince us we do. I know the basis behind the two-party system, and I understand and believe in it, but I can't help but think it is also that two-party system that is largely responsible for the huge divide we have in America at the moment.

WELL SAID I AGREE

Sharon, the problem is that conservatives will no longer listen to facts. Even when you cite credible sources like the CBO or the GAO they refuse to believe anything other than the Fox News/GOP Party line. And make no mistake, they will believe anything that apparatus tells them. They have been convinced that there is some great liberal conspiracy controlling all other forms of information. That degree of thought control is alarming.

Brian, I agree with part of what you say here but Rs and Ds both tend to believe what their preferred sources tell them and skeptical of others. For example, I have a problem with the CBO due to errors. I understand that they are not supposed to be biased but they release reports based on the information they receive. Well, if that information (i.e. initial cost of Obamacare) is wrong, then we get bogus info. That makes them no more reputable that Geraldo. Well... maybe more than Geraldo but he's nutty. We should all be more open minded to facts. It's difficult when NBC and FOX either completely edits a sound bite or only plays specific pieces.

Did any of y'all see this analysis of the speech? It's all over Twitter.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

George, those are pretty big accusations. Do you want to roll them back before people start to show your wrong? Maybe the problem is that you are listening to the MSM, not doing your own research, or did you just not listen to the speech, and got your understanding of it from your MSM of choice? I'll give you one example from your post above. The GM plant. Where in his speech did he blame Obama for the closing of the GM plant? Be specific now...how about use his actual words? Well here they are:
"President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.
A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight"

The plant WAS NOT closed in 2008. It was in 2009. He is calling out "O" for saying that he could help keep it open.

That’s the promise that Barack Obama failed to deliver — even when the government took ownership of GM. Ryan had it exactly right, and the fact checkers have made a mockery of their own profession by stepping all over their own biases to refute Ryan.

Georgie, apparently the "journalists and independent observers" got it wrong on
the plant closing. What else did they get wrong?
GM plant to close this week
By ASSOCIATED PRESS Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 12:14 p.m.
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JANESVILLE — As first announced in February, production at the General Motors plant in Janesville will end this week, a GM official said.

GM spokesman Christopher Lee confirmed operations at the southern Wisconsin plant will cease Thursday.

About 1,200 employees were let go just before Christmas when GM ended SUV production at the plant. Some 100 workers were retained to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.

Lee said most of those workers will be laid off Thursday. He said others will be kept on to help with the plant’s shutdown.

GM’s long-term future remains in doubt. Chief Executive Fritz Henderson said the automaker may file for bankruptcy if it can’t meet the strict requirements that came with $13.4 billion in government loans.

Rebecca. Note, this is an "Opinion" piece. Much like you and I have an opinion, you should not instantly install it as "fact" in your internal software. Read the speech. Read the part about GM that the Media is jumping on. He in no way blames Obama for closing the plant. He points out that Obama did not make good on his promises to keep the plant open. The fact is that the plant had not closed by the time O took office. Ryan was not saying that it closed because of O, he is saying that O's promises have been a bunch of hot air. The world loves snippits and sound bytes. The problem with that is CONTEXT. Read the speech, then research each issue you have a problem with. He didn't lie about Medicare either. His plan that has been public for some time does indeed use some savings to extend medicare for more years, until we can fix it, however Obama's cuts to Medicare go to fund Obamacare. It is like counting money twice. O says it is "savings", but then uses the money to fund another entitlement program! At least Ryan uses his savings to reduce the deficit. I know..reducing the deficit..horrible..shocking...gasp! We have hard choices to make. We can either continue to let our country fund entitlement and broken social programs, or we can begin to shrink the size of government. The writing is clearly on the wall. None of us should say, "I'm shocked the United States is going through this", we have countless examples of unbridled spending bankrupting countries

George..I don't take links to "opinion" articles as proof of fact. Don't let someone else carry the water for your argument. Show me the facts. I gave you a specific qoute from the speech, and specific facts about when the plant closed. You give me a liberal contributors post? Google "Ryan's facts" and look at the unbelievable number of stories out there, all from major MSM Left contributors, and tell me, You don't think that a bit odd? Seems to me that this is a bit of a planned attack on Ryan. Want further proof? Print off the articles, read each one side by side. Notice a lot of simular wording, paragraphs, statements? These things look like they were written by one person, and only the lead in and closing is different. Now go and try to find ANY in depth fact checking to the same degree on any of the speeches Obama has EVER given. I know the results....do you?

GM should have filed for bankruptcy to begin with like any other business would have been required to for survival. It would have been the perfect time to get rid of all those greedy corporate union jerks.

Otis, GM did file for bankruptcy.

Fine, but is GM still under the thumb of the unions? You don't mind accusing Paul Ryan and Ann Romney of being liars so now it's your turn to prove how honest you are. Tell me why American tax payers are responsible for paying these ridiculous private union salaries.

Rush Limbaugh is talking about all of this right now if you turn to 640 WGST Atlanta. Listen and learn! 1:42PM

George:

Please try to get some help - before you hurt yourself or others!

WJK

George:

Please get some counseling/meds/help before you hurt yourself or others.

WJK

George, It is nice to hear your opinions on such issues heard from the liberal and independent media. Remember to use facts. Journalists have their agenda to follow. It is easy to believe what you hear from people who appear nice enough. That is what and how we have the president we have now. We, as a country, are being lead by the nose, litterally to believe what an authority figure says is true. We perform due diligence. Our current president has put in 4 years and for the most part has become quite the golfer and has a pretty good knack for the NCAA bracket. He looks cool when he jogs off AirForce One and frankly talks out of the side of his mouth and really doesn't look you in the eye when he gives his speeches. If you have ever watched the show Lie to Me it `demonstrates traits of a liar. A liar will avoid eye contact, make jokes about others to get the focus off themselves, they will fidget and blame others. By the way, five year olds try this too. When our current president speaks off the record he makes sense. President Clinton was on the left until he realized he wanted to have more time and get re-elected. He, intelligently began to swing to the middle and decided to work together for the better of all. Thanks for sharing. Page

I heard that Ryan lied about the closing of the GM plant; then I went and listened to his actual statement on CSPAN.com video. The folks that accused him of lying were the ones telling the lies. CSPAN just gives the raw video without telling you what to think. Some folks would not have anything to talk about if their favorite news outlet didn't tell them what to think, though. Most of the convention speeches are there. You would be surprised at how much was edited by your favorite news channel. I enjoyed watching the convention without the "talking heads" telling me what I was supposed to think.

Did Ryan lie about Medicare? If so, Obama told the same lie on ABC news in this interview: Obama said on ABC News that he cut medicare by more than 700 billion to pay for the Healthcare bill http://youtu.be/t5Ha7RNpn24 . You should not invent a clever double entry accounting method to try to make the cut disappear after making it, should you?

In your opinion the cuts to providers/doctors may have "benefited the program," but it did not benefit the average American retired person who moves to a new community and tries to find a doctor who accepts new medicare patients. If your doctor retires and you are on Medicare, you are screwed when you try to find a new doctor who accepts new medicare patients.

When you cut payments to medicare doctors, they quit accepting new patients. Period.

Sure it helps balance the books of the system, but how does that help us if we have no doctor to see for the marvelous new system?

Who lied?
This is from the Janesville Gazette, but I suppose the folks in the town didn't really know what was occurring in town, did they?
http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-news/2009/apr/19/gm-plant-close-week/

Apparently the "journalists, fact-checkers, and independent observers" got it wrong regarding the date of the GM plant closing in Janesville, WI. (Note the date on the article is 4 months after Obama took office.) What else did they get wrong?

The fact-checkers say the plant was slated to close before Obama took office. But Obama knew that when he made the campaign promise to keep the plant open.

What do you suppose we do then?

Floyd, you gossip too much when you need to stay focused on the hair cutting.
Isn't it a bit early to give an opinion on Romney/Ryan in office?
Do you take walk ins?

Ahh..spoken like a scholar. I love the way people sling barbs, but can't actually even dip their feet in the pool of honest debate of facts. (especially without qouting MSM news sources)

That is such a funny statement. First of all, we allowed a community organizer into office. Secondly, the last part of your statement doesn't quite make sense. Are you missing a word or two in there?

Ouch! Kitty. I was just explaining to my daughter why some players on the basketball team start fights. Those are the players that have little or no skill and can only retaliate through bullying and fighting to distract a good player. Our current president has used the same tactics in his campaign. When you lack the skills of leadership, people do not follow. Some may think you are cool, charismatic and can lecture real well. These qualities are for the position of High School Principal.

Yea George. Those "facts" were written by a left wing Fox contributor.

@George. Regarding your "Every Industrialized Nation" comment. First, what does that have to do with Obamacare? I love the way people color those of us against Obamacare as being against a system that helps those who need healthcare. The Affordable Health Care Act did nothing to make Healthcare more affordable. Like any other plan hatched by the government it is called something it is not...so people can say "How could you be against affordable healthcare for all"? Those who don't want to think on their own, who don't want to fight the fight to get what America deserves (something we can afford, something that doesn't steal from others, something that doesn't bankrupt America, something that doesn't make my healthcare less effective, etc) are always willing to jump in line behind a person who says "I have an idea that is going to save us all". Have you read the bill? Do you know anything about what drives the cost of Healthcare? Do you know about the shortages of physicians that already exist? Do you know how they are collecting money for many more years just to fund a few years of Obamacare? They lace the bill with a few things that everyone likes just to keep the 95% of the horrific bill from getting cancelled, so they can go to the few people and say "They want to take your healthcare away". We can do better. We can cover preexisting conditions, etc in a much better way without all of the Government power grabbing and bankrupcy this will cause.

@George: You said, "Why want Republicans talk about "corporate welfare: Special tax breaks and subsidies for big corporations? ". First, let me explain something. 50% of Americans pay NO taxes. If the Left want "fairness", how about we start closing that loophole first, and make everyone pay something? Second, The Govt has you tricked into thinking that they are giving their money to a company. What they often call Handouts are really just letting the company keep more of THEIR OWN MONEY. It really comes down to a simple belief, that the individual can better invest their own money vs. letting the government decide where we should invest. It is a proven fact that by cutting corporate taxes it allows companies to reinvest in themselves, and create new jobs. By helping the top, you help the bottom too. If this isn't true, then why hasn't the helping the bottom up that Obama has been doing these past 4 years caused unprecidented growth? Tax cuts increase tax revenue. Lastly, Do you really think that Republicans have the corner on subsidy to business? Forget about the fact that the current administration gives out money left and right to people who pay no taxes, but lets look at his own record of giving to corporations shall we? Among his handouts are $1.2 million for the United Nations to promote clean fuels, $718,000 to help China comply with two initiatives and $700,000 for Thailand to recover methane gas at pig farms.

This administration alone has given over $100M in foreign grants to battle pollution. These are grants to foreign countries aimed at reducing global pollution.

In terms of handouts..how about the massive handouts and vouchers he has given to his "friends" so they do not need to worry about the most expensive provisions of his healthcare bill? You don't seem to have a problem with that greasing? Or how about this statement from Obama back in 2010: "The true engine of economic growth will always be companies like Solyndra," That was back when he was proud of giving $500 million to Solyndra in taxpayer-funded HAND OUTS! Now where is Solyndra today? Hmmm...lets see...Bankrupt?! So all he has done is take money from Coal, Oil, etc and give it to the companies he supports in his effort to remake the world and fly in the face of individual choice by forcing money to the people HE wants to succeed.

"It is a proven fact that by cutting corporate taxes it allows companies to reinvest in themselves, and create new jobs. By helping the top, you help the bottom too." Since you love facts so much, I'd love to see what facts you have to back that steaming pile of nonsense up. "Trickle Down" has proven to be a failed economic theory. Where were you during the Bush years?

Yea. We have all seen how important Big Labor Unions are for America. My grandchildren will be paying for the retirement pensions of arrogant union workers.

@George
I wouldn't expect you to understand. You're a liberal. Read this slowly so you comprehend: Obama basically bought GM seeing how they won't ever pay back the money. That's how my grandchildren are going to pay. My grandchildren will work their entire lives paying interest on the money that Obama is wasting. GM should have filed for bankruptcy and canned the unions. Period!

@Otis The Town Drunk
You don't know anything about my political philosophy.I'm only responding to your irrational statements about labor unions and trying to inject some facts and truth. Now ,the U.S. has taken a stock position on GM stock and I will assume will sell it and perhaps make a profit on the deal.I will say they seem to be doing great with GM cars being number one in sales in China and getting a good share of the US market.I'm even thinking about buying a Volt myself..

Go George. Get you a volt. If you look around, you may find one on sale. Apparently your kind are the only ones falling for the BS seeing how GM is going to stop making them for a while.

"GM's public relations department"? Who is that? Jay Carney, Valerie Jarrett or both?

Here is the article from 2008. Notice this specific sentence: "GM will close the plant by 2010 as it changes its focus from larger vehicles to more fuel-efficient ones.". Now reference that with what Ryan said. He is merely pointing out that the Presidents policies, or handling of GM did not keep the doors open. He in no way said that Obama was responsible for the closing. Again, read the actual speech, not the MSM reports. His point goes on to say that many of those laid off from that plant still have yet to find work, and why would something that has not worked for 4 years turn a different result for 4 more years? It is a question of what Obama plans to do? He has said nothing new, and keeps buckling down on his policies that are "working", so we are left to judge him based on if they have worked since he is suggesting nothing new, or admitting any miscalculation. I've found no verification from GM's public relations department, but as said here already, don't they work for the current administration? Here is the article: http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/19465899.html

You said, "My guess is they will use the enormous amount of money coming in from their wealthy contributors to continue to lie to the American people."

Where do you think Obama is getting his money from? Where did he get it from in the last election? Better yet, how did he use it? ACORN? You speak as though there is something wrong with free people giving money to whatever cause they support. If our view for the future of America tells us to give money to Romney, what is wrong with that? Like Obama said on the stump yesterday..."They should be contributing that to a scholarship fund to send kids to college. But instead, they are going to spend more money than we've ever seen..." How dare he tell Americans where they should give money, or even think to accuse that they do not already give money to such scholarships. I don't recall him telling Hollywood types "Hey, don't give your money to me..fund a scholarship instead". Americans know that you can have a college degree, but without jobs to find after your graduate, what is the purpose? They are giving their money to the only hope they have.

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Who lied?
This is from the Janesville Gazette, but I suppose the folks in the town where the plant is actually located didn't really know what was occurring in town, did they?
http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-news/2009/apr/19/gm-plant-close-week/

@George I promise that I am not trying to be cruel, but you should really stop posting. Your arguments are the written version of "Look a Squirrel". Are you just trying to set me up to show that I have read, and you are guessing? Your statement above is full of fodder. No facts, lots of acusing, and stating of your version of the facts without any support. You are a perfect example of an emotional thinker. You hold on to your "view" even when the facts simply do not support it. Thus the lack of facts in your posts. I do agree with one thing you say..EVERYONE pays income taxes, BUT some people get more back than they put in. Answer me this..If you give the cashier $1 for a soda, and she gives you $1.25 back, did you just pay $1 for that soda? No, she just paid you 25 cents! Thats what is happening in our income tax structure. No, this is not a right winger statement, this was put out by the congressional institute on taxation and economic policy. It is fact, that 51% of Americans get back more than they pay in. This is social fairness run amuck. Do you realize that the top 20% of Americans are those making more than $90,000. Is that rich to you? Do you realize that the top 25% (those making more than $60,000) pay 87% of income taxes? The top 5% (making over $150,000) pay 58% of all income taxes. The people you call rich pay the same fees and property taxes that others pay, but often more because where they live is considered higher tax value.

Yeah, I know of a woman who worked for one full year (wow!) and made 15K and then filed her tax returns and was able to get back 6K. Now mind you, she is on food stamps, lives in section 8 housing and is on welfare. So what little she did put in to possibly help offset what she gets for "free" from the Government was given right back to her. Neat trick. She by the way still doesn't work. Why should she?

@Anne Dowdall
Thank you for this well written statement that brings some facts and truth to the issue.

@Anne, Thanks for the reply. I want to make sure that I address what you are saying. No, you are not considered as one of the 51% of Americans not paying taxes. The figures used to determine tax liability, and who is paying what, did not include elderly or retired, or those on social security. It only takes into account anyone working and earning a taxable income through work, not those retired or on Social Security. I have elderly parents who live check to check, and spend a ton on their medicines, etc. I have absolutely no problem with my tax money being spent on helping out the elderly, especially those who worked hard, but now can barely afford to live.

Again, I understand your statement, and respect why you are emotional about it. Please understand that my statement was specifically about INCOME TAXES, not sales tax, property tax, fees, etc. Also understand that what I shared from the Joint Committee on Taxation was a non-partisan report, that simply shared who is paying what. It does not factor the elderly into that equation, so when I say 51% pays no taxes, that is excluding the elderly, retired, or those living on Social Security.

A brand new guy calling himself "John Smith" accusing someone else of lying.

Check Please...

Hey John Smith..pay attention. The fox news article is an OPINION PIECE written by a contributor, it is not a news article. Second, google "Ryan Speech" and look at the hundreds of articles that come up, all published within minutes of each other, all saying exactly the same thing, almost word for word. What you see as him being "torn up", I see as the Obama Political Machine cashing in their chips with the Liberal Media to shout "LIAR" as loud as they can, as many times as they can, so nobody will actually pay attention to what Ryan said. The reason is because Ryan's statement was damaging. What does Obama have to run on? His record? Then why not run on it? That is EXACTLY what Ryan was saying last night, "Look at his record"..judge him on his record. Did government create jobs? Did it help anyone laid off at this GM plant get jobs? It is exactly what the left does when arguing. They can't win on the facts, so they call you names, call you a liar, try to distract you from the actual point, etc. If you are serious about vetting this president, or any contender, you would take the time to read it, and see, there is no lie being told. You guys keep posting what the media is saying, and I have been posting retorts with actual facts all day...but you keep ignoring it, because it is convenient to your philosophy. Sad really....

@John Smith. Well said, but the President did not speak last night.

For some reason this comment from George isn't showing up here: ""@Concerned Citizen 1.Romney and Ryan want to reduce the loop holes in the tax system to justify tax decreases to the top 1%.What loop holes would they close? Specifics. 2.Why want Republicans talk about our bloated and wasteful defense budget as a way to get spending under control? Why want Republicans talk about "corporate welfare: Special tax breaks and subsidies for big corporations? Addressing these two issues would generate solutions to the budget problems. 3.Why did Ryan vote aginst the Sipson Bowles plan"

@George.
1) Just because you write it here George, doesn't mean that this is a fact. Can you specifically site this statement in anything put out by Romney or Ryan? If you can, then we can all see this in context..something that you seem to not want to allow us to use given your other arguments here. Second, are you against closing loop holes, regardless of the reason?

2) This is the second time you have asked this about "corporate welfare and wasteful defense budget". I answered it once already. Didn't you notice? First, Defense spending is a legitimate purpose of government, in fact it is one of the few legitimate purposes of the federal government. I am all for cutting waste though..as are most Americans. In terms of Corporate Welfare, please scroll up to my post above, and how it discusses how Obama's EPA has given millions to foreign countries for clean air campaigns there. Or how Obama gave $500 Million to Solyndra, which is now bankrupt. Obama is trying to crush the business he doesn't like, and give our tax money to the ones HE wants to succeed. He knows nothing about free market principles, and thus Solyndra is bankrupt..the Chevy Volt...DOA.

3) Simpson Bowles? Do you even try to answer these on your own? He voted against it for what it was MISSING. Not that he didn't like some of it. Specifically how it took away from CURRENT SENIORS instead of protecting them.

@Tammy L
Fact check.com & Politifact Georgia Truth-O-Meter

Who are you calling a token? What do you mean exactly?

Token? Oh boy...you're in deep now pal......

I'm going to address this response to everyone...because obviously George is too far gone to benefit. Please take note of George's response. It is a classic example of what a liberal does when he/she is losing an argument. They use distraction, name calling, the race card, etc. I'm not even going to debate the points he put above...as it is pointless.

I'm amazed that the Democratic party is able to retain any minority support. Mr. Wilson's number 5 above is a complete slap in the face to all of the groups he mentions. GW - do you not believe that Hispanics, women, and African Americans can think for the themselves and make their own decisions? This is such a tired attack aimed at the Right. You should be ashamed, and those you call token should be rightfully offended that you think so little of them. As more folks wake up and see that the Republicans are actually trying to make life better for everyone as opposed to dividing the country into sub-groups who hate each other, then the left will have little to run on.

CC, I agree.
George, what are you talking about?
"we need to get a little market share of these groups"
You make it sound as if people are a commodity like cattle or something.

Maybe Ryan was mistaken. "Lied" sounds so deliberate.

@George...this is starting not to be fun. Read this slowly. In order to be called a liar you have to actually SAY what people are accusing you of saying. Please paste the exact thing that Ryan said and why it is a lie. You keep saying he said the plant closed under Obamas watch, or that the plant closing was Obamas fault. I am simply asking you WHERE did he say that? Pretty simple right? You can't because he didn't. Now listen..what he did say during the entire speech was that people bought into Obamas hope and change, and how his presidency would achieve this utopia, with shuttered factories opening and new jobs being created...but in fact none of that happened. He points out that many of those folks from the plant are still looking for work today. He is calling Obama out on all of his big talk and asking him to run on his RECORD not platitudes and monologues. Simply...WHERE are the jobs.

So how can a person lie when he never even said what you are accusing him of saying? In the same paragraph he actually says that one must consider the difficult times Obama walked into when evaluating his performance. How much more considerate and fair can you get?

Here is what Obama said on said day in Janesville: "But through hard times and good, great challenge and great change, the promise of Janesville has been the promise of America – that our prosperity can and must be the tide that lifts every boat; that we rise or fall as one nation; that our economy is strongest when our middle-class grows and opportunity is spread as widely as possible.  And when it’s not – when opportunity is uneven or unequal – it is our responsibility to restore balance, and fairness, and keep that promise alive for the next generation.  That is the responsibility we face right now, and that is the responsibility I intend to meet as President of the United States. …

Those are the steps we can take to ease the cost crisis facing working families.  But we still need to make sure that families are working.  We need to maintain our competitive edge in a global by ensuring that plants like this one stay open for another hundred years, and shuttered factories re-open as new industries that promise new jobs.  And we need to put more Americans to work doing jobs that need to be done right here in America."

And he also said this later, after the speech in Janesville : "“Reports that the GM plant I visited in Janesville may shut down sooner than expected are a painful reminder of the tough economic times facing working families across this country. This news is also a reminder that Washington needs to finally live up to its promise to help our automakers compete in our global economy. As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America"

How much more clear can you get? Ryan is specifically asking the President, "what about that big talk mr president..? Remember when you said as prez you would LEAD the effort to retool plants like Janesville? What happened with that Mr prez? Isn't Ryan and every American justified in asking President Obama to answer to his record and stop promising more things when those he promised before didn't come to pass?

And once again...HERE is what Ryan said last night in full context. NOTICE the emphasis is not on the plant closing, but on the empty promises made to those men and women, that if they voted for him, he would lead the charge to reopen, retool, or create jobs. "President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two.  Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account.  My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.”  That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.  It is locked up and empty to this day.  And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

Coupla things Todd. When Obama spoke at Janesville in 2008, GM was on the verge of an unmanaged bankruptcy. In fact the entire US auto industry was in serious trouble. Characterizing his remarks there as a promise is disingenuous. While the Janesville plant was eventually shuttered, Obama's policies helped save thousands of other US auto worker jobs. Ryan actually deserves credit for supporting and voting for the auto bailout.

The other problem is Ryan keeps changing his story. Earlier this month he blamed the Janesville closing on Obama's energy policies, saying this at a speech in Ohio:

"You know, I live in Janesville, Wisconsin. We used to have a big General Motors plant. A lot of my high school buddies worked at that plant. That plant was shut down in 2009. I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he'll keep that plant open. One more broken promise."

"We used to build Tahoes and Suburbans. One of the reasons that plant got shut down was $4 gasoline. You see, this costs jobs. The president's terrible energy policies are costing us jobs." http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/314545/janesville-ryan-vs-obama-henry-payne

While it's probably true $4 gas had something to do with the Janesville closing, since the plant quit producing SUVs in 2008 that $4 gas would have been due to Bush's energy policy, not Obama's (gas peaked a $4.15 a gallon in July 2008)

@Brian Crawford
Thanks for coming up with the true facts on the Janeville Assembly plant.

@George. Foul! play nice. We are a two party system, yes. This does not mean that we cannot get along and play nice. Do you think that implying to illegals that they can become legal all of the sudden is a tactic to win votes?

@Page
What is the foul?Those are stated facts from Republican operatives that I talked to.

A new term had entered the language.To be" EASTWOODED" which means to be "Vague,incohert,Rambling,Disrespectful" .You know, like a lot of these comments.

You'll enjoy this George: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/31/1126187/-Eastwood-Punks-Romney

@Brian Crawford
Thanks that was very funny.Have you ever heard of a" Barking Moon Bat"? I've been called that but have never heard of it.Is it native to Georgia?

Phew, Todd M, you've got to be tired! Way to go though. Thanks for telling the truth and if our friends on the other side can't see it, well, I guess they will continue to drink the kool aid.

@Jim Aspen
Another Republican lie.

Did he really think he could get away with stealing that much money? Where would he hide it? Offshore I bet.

I'm with you on this one George.

I think Clint Eastwood is showing his age but I wouldn't accuse him of using drugs.

@Evelyn Smith
See the above definition of a new term or expression "TO BE EASTWOODED".

JH, where do you get your numbers about Chicago?
"More murders in one year than soldiers we lost in all the years in Iraq"
That's no where near accurate.

@JH Wilson
Glad you support GUN CONTROL!

There were well over four thousand American troop casualties in Iraq, Chicago is not exceeding that number in one year.

Well if it's in the leftist NY Times it must be accurate, right? Good luck with your Obama vote, the country is in shambles and if you think that man is qualified and doing a good job as President well then go ahead and vote for him again. The only President ever to have a complete lack of private sector representation in his cabinet. And you do realize that after he created a bi-partisan jobs commission that he's failed to meet with them even once, yet played golf plenty of times since. Keep whistling past the graveyard I guess and cast that vote for Obama b/c you think Ryan lies.

@Rebecca McCarthy
Some Republicans just make up lies and then keep repeating them over and over until many people start to believe them.For example ,Ronald Reagan was a great president who walked on water.

Thanks for commenting Johnny! Great observation.

Johnny, I am voting for President Obama. But, should Governor Romney win, I will pray for him, respect him, and honor him as our new President. That's what the Bible and my sense of patriotism command me to do.

Well that's all good but if Obama is elected again, it will be too late for praying.

I think that would be great. It has certainly worked in the past. You're right though, it does no good when Obama (The President) refers to Americans as enemies.

Obama reached across the aisle, repeatedly. The pubs refused to reach back. It took him a while to figure out that they had no intention of compromising. He finally realized he was going to have to go it alone. That's where we are today. You want to change that? Start with the Republican Congress.

Tammy, not that it matters but it was Rubio that said that about Obama being a bad president, not Dirty Harry. : )

CC, if you're missing something, you aren't the only one. Until I starting reading the patch blogs, I assumed all the Obama supporters were Amish and had little access to the real world.
(Disclaimer) - It's just a joke. I apologize in advance if anyone is hurt.
Now I realize that there are just a lot of really stupid voters with blinders on.

@ Concerned Citizen
At every step of the way the Republican congress had tried to derail Obama's efforts.Thet stated early on that the strategy was to make Obama a one term president.Even our Gov,annouced last week that he was refusing to put 650,000 georgians on Medicaid even through it would be 100% paid for by the federal government.Over 850 georgians die each year from a lack of health insurance. You can draw your own conclusions but i think it is outrageous and criminal.

George:
To your point about Equal Pay for Equal Work; as a woman steadily employed in the work force for 30 years, I will tell you this is lip service pandering to women by Obama. To point 2, I hope they take away your Viagra to pay for this. To point 3, the Supreme Court already addressed this and decided not to take it up for review again. Roe v. Wade will not be overturned. On the auto industry, Chrysler is now owned by foreign company Fiat. GM should simply no longer exist. Job creation? How about those ADA compliant crosswalks on Georgia 316 and 400? Are those people who put them in still employed? There are no sidewalks leading to those crosswalks and you can’t tell me anyone with a disability would enter those crosswalks in a wheelchair in a 65 MPH zone on GA 316 or 400 and make it across the intersection alive. A shovel ready project only a gravedigger will benefit from.Affordable healthcare? NOT. Together, my spouse and I are just over the income limit so we’d get no voucher to offset costs if our employer’s decide they’d rather pay the measly fines. I’d be stuck with terrible coverage at a higher price to me (and no I’m not on a Cadillac plan).

Don't run off just because someone started throwing some facts at you.

Atina...if you think our current President is qualified, then I have to wonder if you are qualified enough to be taken seriously on this post! Better yet, do you think our current VP is qualified to be VP? Seriously? If so you must have never heard him speak!